Marilyn Manson and Tim Burton and Their Women

Ben Wener of the Orange County Register catches up with music personality Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner), and something in the article sticks out to me.

During that time, Manson…settled deeply into a relationship with burlesque queen Dita Von Teese, who, arriving after Manson's time with actress Rose McGowan, appeared to be his twisted soulmate.

After six years together, they married – and almost immediately, Manson says, Von Teese expected him to change. His vampiric hours, his drug use and absinthe consumption, perhaps most vitally his philosophy of self-preservation through fiercely independent thinking and creative transformation – she'd have preferred he put all that away and be a more normal husband.

And for a brief time Manson slowly felt himself conforming. "I started to feel bad about being me," he told me in his gravelly but gentle voice during a phone chat a few weeks ago. "I started to feel like I had to turn me off somehow, to prove that I fit into this convention I know now didn't suit me properly."

I’m not going to defend Manson’s lifestyle or personal actions. That’s not why I picked this story. But the first clue that all was not right was how long they were together before getting married. When people get married after several or more years of being a couple (especially if that includes living together as well as sex), I give the marriage a slim chance of lasting. Unless - one or both members of the couple were still full-time students and they waited to be finished with that phase of life before getting married.

Getting married is often, in these cases, someone’s desperate attempt to save the relationship by “taking it to the next level”. Women think it validates the relationship as “successful”. Men think it will get the woman to stop nagging (and she will stop nagging to get married, but she won’t stop nagging). But they’ve already been pretending to be at that level. There was probably nothing “positive” that he got from being married that he wasn’t getting from her before. And so he marries her, and she rewards him by nagging him. Who wants to live like that?

“I don't necessarily think I couldn't be married again. I think that I assumed - and it was me projecting my idea of romance onto Dita - that she believed in things the same way I did. I think we got to a point where she was feeling like, 'Well, I assumed you would eventually grow out of this.' And I'm saying, 'But this is me.' My marriage started to transform into something that was too concerned with the rest of the world, with how it would get portrayed in Vogue magazine - and that sort of thing was exactly what I had fought hard to stand against. But I got lost between love and belief in myself. I didn't know who I was supposed to be anymore."

"I'm absolutely not looking for someone who agrees with me about everything," Manson quickly adds, "or someone who wants to please me by believing what I believe.”

Women: I can't stress this enough. When you marry a man, you are accepting him AS-IS. You are accepting that he has his own likes and dislikes, his faults, his job, his hobbies, his habits, his philosophy, his bank account, his family, his friends, his history, his possessions, and everything else that has made him who he is. DO NOT EXPECT HIM TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. Expect him to get older - that will definitely happen - but not necessarily more mature.

You can’t make him change. Asking him to change, demanding that he change, threats, nagging, whining, bitching, holding out – that will only drive whatever it is you don’t like about him underground. For example – if you want him to stop smoking weed, he may appear to stop. But he will still do it – just not around you, and he will lie to cover it up. Don't marry him if you don't like him or if you can’t live with everything about him for the rest of your life. Do not rely on assumptions, hopes, wishes, projections, etc. Deal with the reality of who he is NOW.

If you have agreed to be faithful to each other in marriage, only then should you expect that from him - but if he has a history of not showing self-control in that area, you’re probably going to be disappointed. Oh, and his biology doesn’t change by signing a marriage certificate. He will still find other women attractive and want to look at them. He will still want sex from you.

Finally - Just as getting marriage will not change him, do not expect that having his baby will change him. If you get pregnant to try to make him a better man or get him to do what you want, you’ll be a fool.

“But I need the same dark romantic yearning. I had been watching all these movies, like 'True Romance' and 'Harold and Maude' and 'The Hunger' and 'Bonnie and Clyde,' and I started wondering where that sort of feeling had gone. I thought that was where I was at in my life, and I couldn't understand why I didn't feel that same fearlessness."

He regained it, however, via two life-altering vehicles: Evan Rachel Wood, the pretty, preternatural actress from "Thirteen" and the coming "Across the Universe," who at 19 is half Manson's age; and the rejuvenating new album "Eat Me, Drink Me," very likely the most crucial work of Manson's career.

Uh, yeah, well getting some strange, especially young strange, will do that. But those feelings are likely to fade all over again as that strange becomes familiar and older.

Look, I'm no fan of Manson. He strikes me as a geek who realized that the only way he was going to make something out of himself was by being “contrarian” and going for shock value, like those kids who go all punk or goth or whatever because they couldn't come close to making the cheerleading squad or being in the popular crowd, or whatever. There's always another generation of kids around the corner looking to piss off their parents, and he’s smart enough to figure out how to make money off of that. He is not original - he's derivative of folks like Alice Cooper, only Alice Cooper was pioneering and has been an enduring original talent.

Maybe he got picked on by churchgoing kids. Who knows? Churches are full of jerks because people are jerks, especially as teens. But it isn’t like Manson has it all together. I heard him once talking about how mustaches were a sign that a man is gay. This from a guy who also talked about performing manual sex on one of his male bandmates.

While we’re on the subject of relationships, let’s check in on Tim Burton’s situation.

Tim Burton's ex-girlfriend was ordered Wednesday to revise her lawsuit against the movie director after a judge ruled it didn't sufficiently support claims that Burton had backed out of a promise to financially support her.

Why would a “promise” be legally binding in this kind of case and this case only? People promise each other all kinds of things all of the time, and yet a broken promise almost never results in a court case, except when it comes to women who’ve been dumped. So much for independence and equality.

Notice the article refers to this woman as “Tim Burton’s ex-gilfriend”, not Tim Burton as “the former beau of…”. These women insist on having a man more rich and/or famous than themselves, and when it doesn’t last, they try to take some of his wealth with them.

Lisa Marie, an actress who appeared in several of Burton's films, sued last December, alleging Burton used fraud to cheat her out of assets he promised to share with her during their nearly 10-year, live-in relationship.

You weren’t married. Get over it. Marriage is how you get guaranteed support from a man, not shacking up.

Burton said he and Marie would "combine their efforts and earnings and would share equally any and all" accumulated property, her lawsuit claimed.

If he really did that, then he is a fool.

Court papers filed by Burton's attorneys countered that the director gave Marie $5 million to sign the contract, which released him from any further claims to his assets. He contended that if she wanted to rescind the deal she was obligated to return the money.

Five million dollars for what? He could have hired prostitutes and other professionals (chefs, interior decorators) to do whatever it was she did for him for a lot less.

What have we learned?

1. Don’t shack up.

2. Don’t expect a man to change simply because he got married.

Dr. Laura Blames Technology When Users at Fault

I like Dr. Laura. I understand why she does her show the way she does. I find it entertaining radio. I listen. Also, I agree with almost everything she says. I particularly like to hear calls from people who clearly have no idea who they are calling, and they get shocked that she doesn’t give them some touchy-feely New Age answer-du-jour, but rather a cold dose of reality.

I know, I know. Some people hate her because she doesn’t spend half an hour coddling the feelings of each caller.

Or they hate her because she thinks of marriage as holy matrimony and thinks that sex is best saved for marriage. Or they hate her because she thinks they ought not to slaughter their own babies. Or they hate her because she encourages parents to raise their own children. Or they hate her because she encourages husbands and wives to tend to each others’ needs. Or they hate her because she thinks we should kill terrorists before they kill us. Radical positions, I know. I don’t have a problem with any of these.

Every once in a while, though, I think she is completely wrong about something.

Today, I heard Dr. Laura bash/summarily dismiss MySpace.com as being “juvenile”.

Now, I understand that she’s had at least one really bad experience with MySpace. Her deployed paratrooper son’s MySpace page (or at least a page that claimed to be his) gained negative attention when it displayed offensive material. I don’t know what the ultimate conclusion was – whether or not he put the material there or someone else did. Let’s assume for the sake of this argument that someone else put it there against his will.

So what?

We’ve had harmful impersonators, frauds, and identity thieves around for a lot longer than MySpace.

MySpace isn’t the problem. MySpace is nothing more than a convenient collection of online features - many of which previously existed and were typical - in one place. MySpace is a web space host, an e-mail host, a photo album host, a search engine, etc. combined. Dr. Laura has her own website that takes e-mail. It isn’t at MySpace, but most people can’t hire a professional to design and run their own website. MySpace does it for them. Hence, the popularity.

I see “the Internet” get blamed for a lot of problems when it is really nothing more than a street corner, a post office, a library, a TV, and a store. Freaks, criminals, immature people, and liars hang out in those places, too. Saying that they "met on the Internet" is like saying "they met on the street corner". Do you stop using the streets?

Predators existed before chat rooms. While online communications have given them the ability to communicate with the children of strangers and show them inappropriate material from the comfort of their own homes, things like MySpace are hardly the problem. The problem is the evil predator.

There are ways to avoid having your child preyed upon online. Keep communication devices, such as networked computers, in common areas of the home. Don’t let them be home alone. Make sure they have enough sense not to go somewhere without an adult to meet someone they’ve never met. In the event they are home alone, make sure they have enough sense not to allow someone to come over. Don’t let them hang out unsupervised in the homes of kids who don’t have enough sense in these areas. You can protect yourself from those who prey on adults by using some common sense. Always meet someone new in a safe public place until you know enough about them to be in private with them.

Sure, people can put up a false front online, but they can do that in person, too. You think meeting someone (even regularly) in a bar, a club, a restaurant, a class, or even a church really reveals the totality of who they are as a person? No way. You learn who they are by spending time with them in different situations, communicating, meeting their friends and family, etc.
It’s okay for adults to meet each other online. What’s not okay is letting yourself believe that chatting, e-mailing, sharing pictures/audio/video is the equivalent of a face-to-face relationship. It’s not. Meet online, and if there appears to be potential, move along to actually spending time together. Otherwise, you are pen pals and nothing more.

Then there are the reports that try to shock us by telling us how many “sex offenders” are on MySpace (or in a given neighborhood). There are many who have cell phones and postage stamps, too. Run for the hills!

Seriously, though, yes, it is good thing to know who the rapists, flashers, and child molesters are so we can avoid them, and to keep them from contacting children. But the term “sex offender” includes much, much more than that. Homosexuals were legally sex offenders not long ago. It’s illegal in some places to have sex toys. I’m not really concerned that streetwalkers or their customers will be contacting my children via MySpace. Having (consensual) sex with a 17-year-old, no matter what your age, can get you labeled as a sex offender in some places, even though the public schools will hand them a condom and teach them how to use it. I’m not condoning fornicating with underage persons or with anyone, for that matter. Just making the point that there is a difference between someone who rapes seven-year-olds and an 18-year-old guy who fornicates with the 17-year-old.

Getting back to Dr Laura – the call that prompted her comments was from a young woman who was upset about comments her boyfriend made before he was her boyfriend on another woman’s online picture, calling her beautiful. Dr. Laura said that her boyfriend was being juvenile. Really? Having told other women in the past that they look beautiful or that they look good in a picture is juvenile? I don’t think Dr. Laura was thinking clearly at that point - I think her emotions were clouding her thinking.

She did say something during the call that was more to the heart of the matter – the youth (and not-so-youth) culture these days that promotes immodesty and promiscuous “hooking up” and glorifies partying and posting evidence of your partying online. That’s a cultural problem, not a problem with MySpace.

Dr. Laura’s line of reasoning could be used to scrap the Internet entirely, phones, and even cars. After all, while the pill was an accelerant of the sexual revolution, the automobile was the real start of the fornication culture we’re now in.

Don’t blame the technology. Don’t shoot the messenger. It’s the people. And although it is true that online communications have now allowed freaky perverts to network around the world, it also allows those who seek to protect and nurture children and uplift culture to network as well.

Like I wrote at the start of this post - I like Dr. Laura. That's why I hate to see her lessen her credibility with a growing number of people who now use sites like MySpace the way people were using ISP-provided websites ten years ago. She needs to promote the cautious and positive use of technology, not the broadbrush dismissal of it.