Running Game Is LESS Work For Most Men

 

A comment was left after this post on how to present yourself when running game:

 

I don't know man. MGTOW seems less work. As they say, the juice is not worth the squeeze. After dating and having a few gals in bed, I just found out that Adult Movies were more easy and clean and less headache. At times I would just pay if I'm in a tough spot. Professionals don't talk about "feelings", they just do their job. So do I.

I understand.

Paying a pro, masturbation (especially with technology), sublimating sexual urges are all ways to deal.

MGTOW and Running Game aren't always mutually exclusive. Some MGTOW date. Others go into "monk mode" or whatever the individual calls it, giving up dating entirely.

Running Game is for men who want "amateur" female company, but do not want to spend a lot of money, effort, time, emotion, or give up their freedom or be mistreated by a woman.

It does take a little effort to set up your presentation, but many aspects of that - like having a Google Voice number or something similar - are probably good things to be doing anyway in order to protect your identity, even if not seeing amateurs. And once your presentation is set up, maintaining it isn't much effort.

One of the primary reasons to run game is to reduce effort and hassles, and once you get past the initial startup, it makes life so much easier. It's definitely easier than marriage or dating with marriage as a goal, or dating in the ways that are promoted by marriage sellers or most mainstream media. It's also not criminalized. It's not for everyone, but it does work for some.

What Happened Next Door

If you'd told me when I was twelve years old that multiple women who'd appeared in Playboy magazine were going to live in the Playboy mansion, appear in the magazine multiple more times, and be in a "reality" cable television show with Hugh Hefner, I would have known that those women, who were several decades younger than him, were going to expected to be his girlfriends and have sex with him even though he was old and not in the best shape and not committing to any of them, and they would be expected to participate in parties whether that seemed like fun or more work, and that what they were going to get out of this deal was fame, money, access, networking, and visits to Disneyland and wherever else. He's an older man, not in the best shape, and yet these women were going to have to show him a good time.

I would have known that at twelve.

My siblings would have known.

What thinking person over the age of sixteen wouldn't have known this?

But once Hefner was dead, and thus no longer useful, he was cast as a villain by some of the people who used to praise him and cling to him.

Nope. Not buying it.

If you weren't saying this was bad behavior at the time, but rather were profiting off of it, you don't get to bash him now and get any sympathy or points from me at all. Those women knew exactly what they were signing up for. The same goes for anyone going to an adult party at the mansion. Of course staff, such as cooks, cleaners, etc. shouldn't be targeted for harassment, but it was the Playboy mansion; home to a man who built the magazine and brand from the ground up. Nudity and shenanigans should have been expected.

Finishing a Sentence

Sometimes, a couple will be together for years, and when they break up, it is supposedly because the guy didn't want to get married. But then not too long after that breakup, the guy will be engaged to someone else.

Why? Well, it could be that when the guy said, "I don't want to get married", he was not finishing the sentence. If he had, it would have been "I don't want to get married... to you." Or, it could be that he doesn't want to get married, but he's willing to "go along" with the idea and even actually get married rather than having that woman move on to someone else. Either way, it isn't exactly an ego booster to the first woman.

I thought about that when I saw this Associated Press story with the headline "Hugh Hefner's Ex Not Happy About His Engagement".

She plays it off as concern for him, though.

Hugh Hefner's ex-girlfriend Holly Madison tells Life & Style magazine she's not OK with his engagement plans.

She says the 84-year-old Playboy magazine founder is "making a hasty decision" by getting engaged to 24-year-old Playmate Crystal Harris.

Madison tells Life & Style she arranged a meeting with the couple after reading on Twitter that Hefner had proposed.

Here comesthe real point to all of this:

The meeting was filmed for her "Holly's World" reality show on the E! cable television channel.

All of this "news" about what Holly thinks is really about getting publicity for the television show. Hey, Madison turned her stint in the harem into an ongoing TV career. She's no dummy, and knows how to get attention. Good for her for making a living.

Madison says she wished the couple the best but told them Harris had better not do Hefner wrong or she'll "kick her butt."

Oh, please. As my mother's uncle used to say when my mother told him that the young women he was dating only wanted him for one thing - he wanted them for one thing, too, so it was a fair trade. He knows what he is doing, and she knows what she is doing. We can scoff and talk about how wrong it is all we want, but in a strange way, I think it could actually be better if they did marry rather than continue together unmarried, especially if they don't make a show of not being monogamous to each other.

The 31-year-old Madison and Hefner dated for six years until their breakup in 2008 because she wanted to get married and he didn't.

Yup. He probably still doesn't want to get married, but he knows what a pre-nup is, he knows what a lawyer is, and he offers her jewelry and a special party to keep her around longer.

This would be the third marriage for Hefner. He divorced another Playmate last year.

That doesn’t really tell the whole story. He was legally married to Kimberly Conrad, but the marriage had really ended many years ago. She and their son (I don't remember if they had other children together) lived on adjacent property. I actually saw the three of them together when the kid was a little kid. They were doing the family thing at a family venue.

Hefner is enjoying what money, fame, and his business has allowed him to enjoy. Call it wrong, call it disgusting, but these women freely choose to do these things, for any number of reasons. Hef, please, please, please do not get her pregnant.

An Old Profession Meets Modern China

For all the Western men who are looking to Asia for a woman, check out this feature article from the Los Angeles Times on prostitution in China. Looks like the women in China are catching up to Western women. Megan K. Stack reports on college girls who are essentially call girls.

The girls from the drama academy cost the most. Actresses are pretty, after all, and pretty is the point. Steady access to their sexual favors could cost a man more than $25,000 a year, not to mention the perks and gifts they would expect.

This is a good deal for a man who is just looking for sex, in comparison to marriage. At least, it is if he is earning, say, $60,000 a year or more. Because as the sole income earner, in many places in America, a man would be paying a wife $30,000 a year if he was earning $60,000. At least, by law. Practically, wives make most of the spending decisions.

The gentleman on a budget had better browse through students at the tourism institute, or perhaps the business school. Women there can be had for as low as $5,000 a year.

I wonder if Leykis 101-style game works in places like China? Because here, a man can spend very little by following certain rules. Getting a new woman to have sex with should cost no more than $120 (3 dates x $40 limit), and then not long after that she should be fine with him coming over to her place with a cheap bottle of wine, if that. (This is not all women, just the kind of women 101 students go after.)

The article cites a pimp:

He is nonchalant about the work, even vaguely proud. He insists that he is doing a service to the men who don't want to hire streetwalkers, and to his middle-class, ambitious and frostily pragmatic college friends.

"Most of the girls are financially comfortable, but they see their classmates carrying Louis Vuitton or Gucci bags, and they're jealous," he said on the phone from Shanghai. "These girls want to have better lives."

Ah, materialism and envy.

Just a few decades back, premarital sex was looked down upon by respectable families. Now, some members of those families are not just having premarital sex; they're selling it.

That's "progress" for you.

But even if that's true, few women want to admit it. And, perhaps, sex and love aren't quite so simply parsed.

Yup.

She can't imagine getting married anymore, because she has lost faith in male monogamy and hates the idea of playing the role of the wife, sitting at home while her husband steps out with a young woman like her.

Isn't this typical of prostitutes and mistresses? Human nature is human nature, regardless of nationality.

In the past, some presumed prostitution existed because most women were more reluctant to have sex without a wedding ring on their finger. In a time and place (anywhere, not just China) where casual sex is plentiful, prostitution survives for four main reasons:

1. The rich, powerful, and famous can easily get sex, but some don't want hangers-on; so they're not really paying prostitutes for the sex - they are paying them to leave.

2. Some people have a fetish and have trouble finding a partner who will satisfy it (although the Internet has made this a lot easier).

3. Some men either don't know how to approach women, or haven't been finding the right women to approach and simply want a woman who will listen to them and at least pretend to admire and enjoy them – and sometimes no sex is involved.

And I suspect the biggest reason...

4. Men as a group want sex more than women as a group. This is why the vast majority of prostitution customers are male, whether gay ot straight. Supply and demand. This can include a married man whose wife is either a complete refuser or refuses to do certain things that the husband enjoys. In China, the supply and demand thing is becoming a bigger factor because of the "one child" policy and parents preferring boys, thus having their daughters slaughtered before or as they're born.

Hollywood Harlots

Chris Lee and Matt Donnelly at the Los Angeles Times had a long story on "club girls", who are young, somehow attractive women who freelance for tabloid/entertainment "news" media, often while and by partying at the clubs where the celebrities hang out.

"I always say, it's living like a call girl without the sex," former club girl Suzy McCoppin said.

Well, not exactly.

A onetime Playboy pinup who worked as a nightclub reporter for Star magazine for three years before getting "banned from every club in the city," McCoppin said she once sold a story describing a weekend tryst with British pop star Robbie Williams to the London tabloid News of the World for $40,000. She embodies the kind of club girl who goes beyond reporting the story to becoming the story.

"A lot of club girls want to be famous," said Evan Matthew, a former senior reporter for Star magazine who also recruited nightclub reporters for four years. "The hope is, being a club girl will get them closer to the celebrities. And they'll become an actress. Or they'll start dating a celebrity."

This explains a lot about where new stars-of-the-moment come from.

McCoppin, who said she parlayed her club girl days into a series of affairs with athletes and actors, a column in Playboy magazine and an as-yet-unpublished memoir, makes no apologies for her less-than-conventional reporting techniques. She recalled that her first reaction when her editor suggested she could turn her relationship with Williams into a tabloid payday was "absolutely not. This is tacky."

When she discovered the amount of money involved, however, she produced a detailed account of her affair that included explicit descriptions of "total rock star sex." "Tacky aside, I will look tacky for $40,000!" she said.

There's nothing like selling your body and soul.

Most tabloid magazines do not have an explicit policy forbidding alcohol consumption and almost all that hire club girls will allow them to buy expense drinks for themselves and friends.

As opposed to snookering some guy they have no intention of dating into buying them.

But after a few years on the club circuit, the hard-partying lifestyle can take a steep toll. Matthew recalled a reporter who started out "bright eyed and bushy tailed" but eventually let certain temptations overtake her life.

"She started off doing a good job but got in so deep after five years, she hung around with all these major celebrities and didn't know who anybody was because she was on drugs," he said. "She started missing stories and she'd come home with nothing. She became a full-time prostitute and had a couple of different celebrity clients. For those club girls, there's no return."

Famous guys have women throwing themselves at them. They hire prostitutes for one, both, or all of three reasons: 1) They have extreme/unusual tastes and don't want to go through the trouble of finding someone else who will accommodate that for free; 2) They're paying for the women to leave after the sex, not for the sex. 3) For guys in their entourage or at their parties who have no game.

The comments I saw on the paper's website where interesting.

One person wrote:

SO let me get this straight, you have women who are using their looks, and maybe their body to get ahead. Then complain when men only view women as sex objects, then use the very sexism to make a living!?! Sounds like most women are a bunch of hypocrites to me!

A second person wrote:

What a sad, silly superficial town this is... Anyone who gives a rat's behind about what Britney Spears is doing should be culled from the population immediately

A third person wrote:

You make "club girl" sound like another name for hooker. They do, too.

Yup. Starf-----s and attention whores, and some are just plain whores. If you had to guess, how many of them do you think have good relationships with their fathers?

Her Husband Gave Jewelry to a "Dancer"

WOUNDED HEART IN OKLAHOMA wrote in to Dear Abby:

My husband had an affair with a stripper.

You married a dummy. Out of all of the things I have done wrong, I've never witnessed a live performance of a stripper. I've never darkened the door of a strip club. I believe I have mentioned before that I made it clear during my "bachelor party" night out that I didn't want a stripper, and I turned down my own father's suggestion during said festivities that we go to one of those clubs. I had to repeat myself. And my father is a generally decent man - it is just that going to these sorts of clubs has become so commonplace, especially for bachelor parties.

Aside from the morality, the fact is, strippers are experts at extracting money from men and giving those men less than they can get from a date or a hooker. They are hookers that (usually) don't put out. They take the money, and usually just frustrate men. These days, women get naked and have casual sex with strangers for free. Why pay?

I guess some guys pay to see strippers because they reason that it is more acceptable to do that than have a mistress or hire a hooker. But still... when I'm hungry, I don't pay to watch someone cook a hamburger. I eat. And this guy apparently got involved enough to buy jewelry.

I found out about it because he bought her some jewelry and was stupid enough to have the bill sent to our home.

See what I mean about the money? She's getting jewelry from him, and he's a dummy for buying jewelry for a stripper, and possibly a dummy for not covering his track. He may have wanted to be found out.

We have been married more than 20 years and I love him, but this haunts me every day. I am heartbroken, but I'm trying to make our marriage work. He never admitted to any of it and says nothing happened between them.

It is possible that nothing happened between them. Remember – she's a stripper. She's used to getting money from men without actually doing things with them.

I don't know whether to keep on trying or leave him and hope to get on with my life.

To figure that out, ask yourself honestly - why did he do this? Is he generally a bad guy, or have things gone sour in the marriage? He might have been desperate for what appeared to be affection, attention, and admiration from a woman. I don't know of a healthy husband who is going to choose watching a stripper over sex with his wife. Is he getting enough sex?

Dear Abby responded:

It takes effort on the part of both husband and wife, plus honest communication and often professional counseling to heal a relationship when there has been infidelity.

He might need a financial counselor most of all.

Even though you love your husband, it's time to start taking care of yourself. And the place to start is by insisting on professional counseling. If he won't go, go without him.

That could work. Or she may find a bad counselor who tells her that it is wrong for a husband to be horny.

Dear Abby Gets a Letter From Dear John

Here's another look at a Dear Abby letter. WANTS TO MAKE PEACE WITH THE PAST IN WISCONSIN wrote:

I am a 31-year-old man. I have been seeing a wonderful woman for about seven months, and it's starting to get serious. I need advice, though, on how much we should tell each other about our sexual histories.

This is yet another problem people avoid when they save sex for marriage.

Seven years ago, the end of a romantic relationship sent me into a deep depression. I spiraled downward for a long time, during which I engaged the services of prostitutes.

I want to now how actual prostitutes – like the ones on street corners and in brothels, as opposed to women who put out for any guy who buys them a nice meal – stay in business these days. Really... it isn't that hard for guys to get casual sex these days, if that is all they want. Sure, if a guy has really particular tastes and a fetish and thus it is difficult for him to easily find a woman who will fit that, or if he's rich or famous and he wants her to go away after the deed and not hang around, I can see why a guy would hire a prostitute. But are there really enough guys in those situations?

Finally, with the help of my family and a therapist, I was able to take medication and recover from the depression. I was later tested for STDs and was lucky not to have contracted any.

Well, those outcomes are better than the alternatives.

I am not implying that I'm not responsible for what I did at the time. I'm ashamed of the situations in which I placed myself.

That's good.

Abby, should I tell my girlfriend about this at some point as our relationship progresses, possibly toward marriage? If so, how much detail should I give her?

I think you have more of a responsibility to tell her about the depression than the details of your past fornication. As long as she knows you are not a virgin, and that you dealt with depression by seeking casual sex, that should be enough. Beyond that, you are asking for trouble.

Turns out that my advice isn't much different from Dear Abby's.

When it comes to sexual history, you can be honest with her, but you really have no way of verifying if she is honest with you in return. It is best to pay close attention to what she is doing in the here and now - what kind of person she is today, instead of being fixated on her past encounters. (However, if a woman has had "had her fun" and is jaded towards sex, she should make that clear to the guy before he signs on the dotted line... most guys don't want to be married to a woman who sighs during lovemaking and says something like, "Okay... if you want to... I've been there and done that and I'm tired of it.")

Ideally, I think before an engagement is finalized with a set date, the potential spouses should learn about each other's medical, financial, legal, and educational histories – anything where there is a record or paper trail, or anything that could be a significant factor in their life together. Things like credit ratings, psychotic episodes, and a driving record can be a big deal. As far as sexual history, who a person has a past with is only important if that person is still in the picture somehow.

The idea of going to a hooker - someone for whom sex is work - has never appealed to me. Even today, as a faithful married man, I'm not much into having my wife do something for my enjoyment if she doesn't get some level of enjoyment out of it herself (even if that enjoyment is the pleasure of pleasing her spouse).

Prostitution?

W. Tom Foster of Santa Ana, California, wrote in to the Orange County Register:

So we are paying multiple members of the law-enforcement community upward of $100,000 per year to cruise the Internet hunting down persons who wish to engage in sexual activity for money ["Prostitution fight hits Web," Local, Aug. 17].

Why hasn't Heather Mills, the ex-wife of Paul McCartney, been arrested? I guess charging $50 million for a few years of promised sexual activity doesn't count.

Don’t forget Phil Collins’ third wife. How many songs did she write or perform again? Why does she deserve all of that money? Oh, that’s right. She was clever enough to marry a man without an effective pre-nup.

I can understand why people don't want hookers walking Harbor Boulevard, but two people meeting over the Internet and making arrangements to go to a motel
doesn't seem all that bad to me – especially when we have gangs and illegal drug
users robbing people and desecrating our cities with spray paint.

Well, we can always come up with hierarchy of crime and say that we shouldn’t be committing resources to X, Y, or Z as long as there are murders being committed, But I do find myself leaning to and fro on the fence about prostitution. I defy anyone to present an objective difference between most present-day dating and prostitution. Why is chatting online and agreeing to have sex and that one person will give money to another any different from agreeing to have sex after one pays for dinner for another?

As long as our laws and courts say that sexual activity between consenting adults is a private matter and can’t be criminalized (uh, except if they are related, or work together, or any number of exceptions), then I find it hard to see why this activity should be illegal. Streetwalking is a different story. A public street is owned by the people and the people can collectively decide whether or not to allow that. When a road is private, it should up to the owner of the road.

Again, I believe sex is for marriage and that all sex outside of marriage is wrong. Whether or not it should be illegal is a different matter.